Can You Microwave Vermiculite Before Rolling the Cakes
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well? do u? is it nessesary?
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not necessary.
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It's not necessary at all.
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Yes, the verm should be sterilized before rolling with it, at least by baking on a cookie sheet in the oven.
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It comes sterilized. 
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well, i will sterilize per rr's advice, but nice to know you dont have too. 10 more mins for that. so close to fruiting chamber!!! im excited! and i have all day tomorrow and the next to make sure rh is up n mist n and fan. pin porn soon!!!
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They bake it at like 1500 degrees to puff it up. That's pretty sterile.
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Yes, the verm should be sterilized before rolling with it, at least by baking on a cookie sheet in the oven.
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Although vermiculite is mostly sterile due to the process it's made by. I sterilize my vermiculite at 350F for a half an hour on a cookie sheet in the oven.
^^^ this.
Vermiculite doesn't have any nutrients for those contaminate spores to germinate and feed upon.
That doesn't mean vermiculite don't pick up and harbor dormant contaminate mold spores that'll find a food source in your cakes.
Let the vermiculite cool to room temperatures before rolling your cakes in it.
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the verm didnt really want to stick to the cake. i have a walmart temp/rh gauge, but i dont think the rh is accurate. do they have hygrometer (sp?) @ walmart?
so i put a small pile on top.
there is still water dripping out the bottom. its raised 6" or more off the floor. temp is about 71. i would guess rh is about 90?
i misted half hour after putting cakes in fc. sprayed sides and verm on top. but i think from now on i will only mist indirectly 6"or so inches above cakes.
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the verm didnt really want to stick to the cake.
so i put a small pile on top.i have a walmart temp/rh gauge, but i dont think the rh is accurate.
there is still water dripping out the bottom. its raised 6" or more off the floor. temp is about 71. i would guess rh is about 90?
i misted half hour after putting cakes in fc. sprayed sides and verm on top. but i think from now on i will only mist indirectly 6"or so inches above cakes.do they have hygrometer (sp?) @ walmart?
You are supposed to dunk the cakes prior to rolling them, this makes the verm stick just fine
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i dunked them for 20 hrs.
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You want that thing a lot more than 6" off the floor. That's where all the nasty stuff settles. Aim for around 3' up if you can. Did you calibrate the Hygrometer? They don't come from the store accurate at the levels of humidity you want in a chamber like that.
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didnt know you could calibrate the digital ones? and i'll move it now.
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You didn't mention it was digital, I should have asked. You're right though, you probably can't calibrate it.
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some can be calibrated, some cant,. is the same for Analog hygrometers, some can, some cant,. read the paper it came with, and it will tell you all about how to calibrate it,.
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can you sterilize quicker in the microwave or is that not good enough? (i used the oven, just wondering)
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I've never sterilized verm. 
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the verm didnt really want to stick to the cake.
so i put a small pile on top.i have a walmart temp/rh gauge, but i dont think the rh is accurate.
there is still water dripping out the bottom. its raised 6" or more off the floor. temp is about 71. i would guess rh is about 90?
i misted half hour after putting cakes in fc. sprayed sides and verm on top. but i think from now on i will only mist indirectly 6"or so inches above cakes.do they have hygrometer (sp?) @ walmart?
You can throw your Chinese digital walmart temp/humidity gauge into the air and fire buckshoots at it. Vermiculite is sterilized in the micro wave by running it in the microwave in a large bowl twice for five minutes at a time stirring the vermiculite between intervals in the microwave. I always sterilize my vermiculite.
You said you dunked, right?
The trick to getting the vermiculite to stick to the cakes after the birthing is place them in the fruiting chamber and wait one half hour before you initially spray your cakes.
Don't mist directly as you'v discovered.
A properly constructed shotgun fruiting chamber will hold ample amounts of humidity while receiving ample fresh air with a daily regimen of misting then fanning.
If there's any measure against contaminates that I can think of to take, I'm going to take it every time.
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well. my crappy hygrometer is reading @80. i taped up a few holes. and testing the rh by spraying the sides to see how long the droplets stay.
temp is 76.
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Cigar shops and pet stores carry awesome hygrometers for relatively cheap. I picked up an Exo-Terra brand analog hygrometer at a local pet shop for 7 bucks, it's specifically made to monitor humidity levels in a terrarium. Works like a charm. Google "exo terra analog hygrometer" for more info. Back on topic, I have found from experience that if I don't sterilize the verm that it tends to promote cobweb mold growth in the verm underneath my cakes. I set cakes on inverted jar lids filled with damp verm. Sterlized verm never seems to have any cobweb growth at all whereas verm straight from a bag (that has been opened I would add) seems to occasionally result in some cobweb growth. I also bake my verm in the oven at 350F for 30 minutes, I usually put verm into a several baking pans though and cover them with aluminum foil, then simply remove the foil when sterilized verm is needed.
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well. my crappy hygrometer is reading @80. i taped up a few holes. and testing the rh by spraying the sides to see how long the droplets stay.
temp is 76.
And how is spraying the sides and seeing how long the water stays there a humidity test?????? Are you 12?
So 80 is your 100%, big deal. Now why are you taping up holes? Dont do it.
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well, i figure if it dries quickly, then its not humid enough.
just brainstorming?
well, i guess i will just leave it alone. and let it do its thing.
ive read lots of ppl tape up holes.
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ive read lots of ppl tape up holes.
ya but lots of people dont know jack ;p are we talking about a SGFC here? (too lazy to read back) a properly built SGFC will maintain humidity perfectly. no matter what your hygrometer says.
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Yes, the verm should be sterilized before rolling with it, at least by baking on a cookie sheet in the oven.
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Thats what I do unless its the first bit out of a new bag. In fact, I have a cookie sheet w/ verm on it I keep in the oven all the time. Bugs the wife, but keeps it handy for me.
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ok. tape off. i will trust the tek and not alter anything.
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If you have a humidifier, maybe run it in your room.. during the winter months, shit gets dry and the teks might not accommodate that. I don't see the point in sterilizing verm.. its just going to be unsterile once you take it out of the oven.
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hamloaf said:Vermiculite doesn't have any nutrients for those contaminate spores to germinate and feed upon.
That doesn't mean vermiculite don't pick up and harbor dormant contaminate mold spores that'll find a food source in your cakes.
Actually, verm does have nutrients for contaminants as well as mushroom mycelium. Fungi digest minerals.
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guess i'll have to get a humidifier.
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hamloaf said:Vermiculite doesn't have any nutrients for those contaminate spores to germinate and feed upon.
That doesn't mean vermiculite don't pick up and harbor dormant contaminate mold spores that'll find a food source in your cakes.
Actually, verm does have nutrients for contaminants as well as mushroom mycelium. Fungi digest minerals.
RR
Cool, I didn't know that vermiculite was a mineral. Thanks for that, I mean it.
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I wouldn't even worry about it being to dry during the winter. I'm in the cold and dry now, the humidity in the room is no more then 20-25% and my SGFC that I just set up friday is having no problem keeping a 95-100% humidity environment all on its own, with nothing more then the recomended misting and fanning and a properly built SGFC. (I'm really impressed actually...)
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Also worth noting is that if the RH in your SGFC is lower than normal, it may be that your perlite needs rehydrating. It took me a while to realize this the first time. 
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ya. i guess i could rehydrate. maybe add a little more? there's condesation on the lid, so i think it might just be the gauge. going searching for one tomorrow.
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well? do u? is it nessesary?
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Yes, the verm should be sterilized before rolling with it, at least by baking on a cookie sheet in the oven.
RR
I always listen to RR. every time i had something go wrong i would use the search to find if he had posted anything about the issues i had. i always listen and it always worked. i always sterilize verm before a dunk and roll. best to be safe then sorry.
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ya. i guess i could rehydrate. maybe add a little more? there's condesation on the lid, so i think it might just be the gauge. going searching for one tomorrow.
There should never be condensation in a shotgun terrarium, even at 99%. Something wasn't built per the tek.
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i'll add pics today. i think the condesation is from me spraying, i would just lift the lid and spray. it was only in one area. i wiped it off.
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pinning! theres one on each cake. i'll add more perlite before i birth the others.
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ya havent yo ever left moist verm out and had the wispy white stuff grow on it?
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I know it usually means I did something wrong, prob too much moisture, but Ive had verm contam layer on top of pf cakes partially colonize w/ whispy myc.
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wispy or rhizmorphic? were the white or cloudy looking? cuz rhizmorphs grab out at watever they can get a hold of.
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Rhizmorphic. That makes sense, I guess, cuz the ropes ARE attached to the nutrients below. I have even had good size pins that were only attached to the cakes by rhizomorphic "ropes".
Sorry for going so far off-topic...
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its all good. no worries my friend =]
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here are some pics of the sgfc. enough perlite? here's a pic of my first pin! 
sorry the camera sucks!
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I usually do 4 inches for sgfc
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Oh shit I thought you want condensation, I guess I'll stop misting the top and sides now when I mist/fan.....
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I'm adding more perlite tonight. that should take care of the RH problem.
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You might just have real small hands, but it looks like you don't have near the number of holes in there that you should.
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Are your holes 2" apart?
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i have small hands. yep, there 2" apart. i just measured to double-check.
went to get perlite @ walmart. they didnt have any. damn winter! oh well. i'll get some tomorrow. gotta get it ready for when i leave.
i think i'll turn the heat down when i leave to slow growth...
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